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walks onto the debate stage wednesday night, mitt romney will now he's behind. know he needs to catch up. needs to win the night. what can he show of himself that he hasn't shown before and what does he need to show of barack obama that we don't already know? seeing is believing. the three times the debates have changed the lead in a presidential race. each time it was about the words, but also that something else, something that told voters what they didn't know and all of a sudden mattered a lot. and finally, bad numbers. barack obama's ahead in nearly every national poll and battle ground state poll. but what do we really make of the crunchers who say mitt romney has just a 1-5 chance to win this election? hi, i'm chris mathews. welcome to the show. with us today, new york magazine's john, trish and kelly and the huffington post's d howard. with just over a month to go for mitt romney, given the polls, the debates may be it. it could change the narrative that has dogged him or cemented. romney has the same urgent must-do list that he at the republican convention. only now could be his
romney as he tries to steady his campaign. joining us for a debate of their own, democratic governor of massachusetts, devalue patrick and kelly welcome to both of you. >> thanks, david. >> a lot to get to. let's start with the issue of taxes. mitt romney's tax returns showing in 2011 he paid 14%. he didn't have a job. this was interest income. governor, should this end the debate or should there be more? >> i understand people's interest and curiosity about the tax returns. his dad said tax returns for presidential candidate should be produced way back many years and i think it produced 20 years worth of tax returns when he was considered vice president. the more important issue is what is it he plans to do with my taxes and yours and everybody els. he has a tax plan where he's talking $5 trillion in tax cut, adding to the deficit, no way to pay for it and no idea about what the impact is. >> the question of more returns and what they are holding, you don't think it's appropriate -- >> i think it's a fair question. the bigger question is what is it he plans to do with everybody else
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